Should Computer Chips Be Implanted At Birth--Yes, Poll Included

When things like that will be mandated, I promise to change my target silhouette from paper to people.

Where's the sarcasm tag? Minority report?

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." B. Franklin

For those in college "B" refers to Benjamin ...I know,I know...you even think New Mexico is a foreign country...thanks NWO!

We do have a problem with hackers and the use of technology to scan your chip as you walk by. That can lead into cloning of chips and identify theft v2.0. Also, if the chip includes a processor as you suggest then a virus can be implanted. You may lose more than your 'hard drive'.

DNA for identity, however, presents a much more sophisticated problem to the hacker/thief. But it is limited only to identity - it is not information bearing and cannot host functionality like a chip.

Socrates

DNA uses our natural body - it does not require insertion of a chip. The concept of a database exists in any solution.

Build a robot instead that acts as a surrogate for yourself. Robots only do as you program them to. Then you just lie home on the couch and watch your robot roam online...

(lol - rolling eyes)

I get the point. Very nice article!

No chips for me or mine. Enhanced personal safety always diminish personal freedom. Too much safety means no freedom at all. If you are scared to live, let me whisper something in your ear: we are all gonna die some day, you too. I want to die from living - not being bored to death by safety.

There's no need to implant chips now we have smart dust.

Be seeing you.

So now we just need a smart vacuum cleaner.

Great article. Voted I get your point. I have to admit, I was a little worried at the first of the article

NO FRIGGING WAY! Try it and the second American Revolution will start immediately. Big Brother, anyone??? Nice job onthe sarcasm, Socrates.

I have to agree with Creed. Since we do not live in a perfect world, the potential for abuse far outweights the benefits.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

I sort of like Creed's idea of the surrogate robots -- In work as we speak, or write as it were:

http://www.gizmag.com/surrogate-robots-fact--fiction/14330/

No chips for me, thanks.

Did you see the film, "The Surrogates" with Bruce Willis?

Kinda cool and up this alley.

Bah we already have it, called credit reports, just try to live without em, see how far you get on $400/month insurance and a 10% mortgage.

Also, why worry about being tracked? How about cell phones, systems such as OnStar, all those swipes on your card. There is no way to stop this. As technology evolves personal information simply becomes more accessible. Hell, many people voluntarily expose private information in public forums such as Facebook (and even here on NV).

TiG.

Also, why worry about being tracked? How about cell phones, systems such as OnStar, all those swipes on your card. There is no way to stop this. As technology evolves personal information simply becomes more accessible. Hell, many people voluntarily expose private information in public forums such as Facebook (and even here on NV).

I think the key phrase is voluntary. Its one thing for me to swipe my card knowing that someone COULD use that information to "track" me. But it is something different to have an RFID or similar implanted and have someone steal my info or whatever while I'm walking down the street.

Plus what this chip is talking about is having all of your info in one place. Swiping cards can get you where I am and what I buy and maybe my billing address. But with this chip you could have my physical info, my bank info, my medical history, virtually anything you want all with one scan. I understand and agree with what you said but I think they are a little different.

agm65ccip

But it is something different to have an RFID or similar implanted and have someone steal my info or whatever while I'm walking down the street.

I brought that very idea up in my first post #1.3 so I certainly agree. However, keep in mind that we are simply talking about security. Access to information includes both legal and illegal entities. So whether you have a chip or you simply have a cell phone and a credit card, legal authorities will indeed gain increasing levels of personal information on you.

Plus what this chip is talking about is having all of your info in one place. Swiping cards can get you where I am and what I buy and maybe my billing address. But with this chip you could have my physical info, my bank info, my medical history, virtually anything you want all with one scan. I understand and agree with what you said but I think they are a little different.

Realistically, the chip will not carry all that information - at least not as the sole source. As a software engineer I will tell you that the information will be safely recorded with suitable backup and disaster recovery. My point is that chip or not, your data is available to those who have or can gain (hack) access.

The scanning problem is a security issue ... and like I said, I agree with you.

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Ultimately, I do not see a chip as doing anything other than providing a unique identity, The chip provides your electronic identity. All your information would logically reside outside of the chip. This just makes sense from an information technology perspective. Of course, the chip is not my concept ... I think parsimony has already identified the proper solution. Our identity should be derived from our bodies. Fingerprints is the current, obvious example. DNA is the more advanced example.

Socrates

If you are going to know everything I do, let's only criminalize the really big things

I do not view law that way. Law should not be a means of controlling individuals but rather a means of effecting an orderly society. Ultimately law restricts individuals but the intent is an orderly society.

So regardless of this topic I am generally in favor of eliminating ALL laws that have nothing to do with ensuring an orderly society. Of course this is subjective and there will be exceptions but you understand my position, right?

... but don't you agree that the possiblities are endless regardless of the method?

Not only that, I think it is inevitable that our privacy is shot to hell. This is the dark side of our cool technology.

If you consider a Nanny State to be the definition of "freedom" - which apparently you do, then yeah. There'd be LOTS of freedom. Individuality and Humanity would go down the toilet, tho...

You have obviously never owned a car... the higher the tech, the crappier the car. On a car my wife had for a few months (before it was totaled) it had a "feature" that nagged you to change the oil. The oil had just been changed... but the thing nagged anyway. To get it to stop nagging, you had to take it to the dealer. When the government installs a nagging feature, it doesn't make provisions for incorrect alarms... Since it's a government alarm, it MUST be correct. And there's no provision for the phrase, IMMV. I change the oil in my car every 15,000 miles or so instead of every 3,000 miles. The last car I bought new and did that with had 262,000 miles on it when the lifters started to wear out. The car would have been parked at the bottom of an abandoned gravel quarry long before it hit 100,000 miles if it had had a government nag in it.

And what happens to your Wonderchip when you need an MRI? Or you get an electrical shock? Or you pass by a strong magnet... Ooops! You don't exist anymore. But I bet you could trot down to the local Mafia Don and get a new ID...

creed, 1.14 -- very cool movie.

What freedom exactly? The things mentioned aren't really freedoms, but rather imposition of very narrow morality and judgment. Sterile i think would be the appropriate term. Why not just remove our emotions and free will? Same thing.
It would be reminiscent of a great many movies, from Equilibrium to THX 1138 to Logans Run to Fahrenheit 451, ad infinitum....in that type of world, i would definitely become a violent criminal/revolutionary...would have no other recourse really.

And what happens to your Wonderchip when you need an MRI? Or you get an electrical shock? Or you pass by a strong magnet... Ooops! You don't exist anymore. But I bet you could trot down to the local Mafia Don and get a new ID...

Another reason to take the route determined by the law of parsimony - use the natural human body as the means for establishing unique identity. DNA seems to be the most logical candidate going forward.

And perhaps the chip can be programmed to shut down the human unit at age 60, thus avoiding the expensive entitlement programs, such as SS and Medicare......

George

Nah, it will malfunction well before that and 'boot' the host.

TiG -- maybe you could develop a "re-boot" program to start-us-up again!

I voted yes .. but many will be afraid.

that old mark of the beast bs.

keep it basic .. name , emergency contact number , brief medical and meds ,country of residence.

a step further ? like Lojack ? well would keep kids safe. even adults . but I can also see how that would invade privacy too in the wrong hands.

an emergency is the only time it would be useful, imo. The rest of the time it's an invasion of privacy, to me, anyway.

while it does have some benefits there is too much room for it to be abused to even be considered

Sometimes I am almost glad I am old and will not likely live long enough to see the "Brave New World" we are headed into. Glad I never had kids and feel sort of sorry for those that have and will.

Only if we can implant brain chips in DC , these morons don't know what they are doing. Maybe shock collars for the Admin might help to let them know most Americans don't like what they are doing since they apparently don't listen.

Just their "baggage handlers"

doug,

Maybe shock collars for the Admin might help to let them know most Americans don't like what they are doing since they apparently don't listen.

You took the words right out of my mouth. They do seem to work on dogs that don't listen. However, some in congress are not as intelligent as most dogs. Also, plastic is not a good conductor of electricity, in Nancy Pelosi's case.

I seriously doubt I have to tell you what my answer was, Soc, LOL.

"Get off my lawn" now takes on new meaning right along side "Go ahead.....make my day."

Lock-n-load!

Absolutely incredible you could support something like this.

Wow, just wow, I'm actually speechless that people, ANYONE would support this action.

*****shakes head in disbelief*****

Socrates,

ABSOLUTE NOT.

From a biblical perspective, although written thousands of years ago when the possibility of anything like that was out of the realm of thought, Paul wrote in Revelations that when antichrist set up his worldwide reign, he will have the ability to track everyone in the world.

It was ludicrous in the time of Paul, and yet more and more we are moving to exactly that techniology

I find it interesting that your article, Socrates, continues to receive comments.

You wrote this nearly 2 years ago and much has changed that affects our privacy. Facebook is bigger than ever, gps smartphones are commonplace and credit cards are now carrying RFID chips. If you've been using the web for the past 20 years, your activities are traceable. When you purchase anything at the grocery store, your buying habits are recorded. You'll pay more for products if you don't enroll in their membership service (which is actually tracking everything you buy). Our privacy has been whittled away by technology. Drive anywhere and your car has a black box which could be used to find fault if you are in an accident. There are low cost closed circuit cameras throughout our freeways and cities and drones are airborne. Most would be surprised to discover that their personal image has been digitized and stored on some hard drive. When we travel, biometrics identifies who we are in seconds.

Our sense of freedom and privacy is an illusion. Implanting chips is unnecessary, and I daresay, practically redundant.

If you were wired with an internal chip, criminals would be prevented from entering a bank. Shoplifters would be permanently barred from the businesses they stole from. If you're unconscious or injured, the data chip would reveal important medical information or detect a heart attack or other condition and alert you and your doctor simultaneously. You wouldn't need a pin number. You wouldn't need keys and only you could start your car. The possibilities are endless.

Regardless, I don't want a chip, but I think it is already happening and is inevitable.

Great article, Soc. Very provocative.

The possibilities are endless.

and the horribly bad totally abhorrent ones far out weigh -any- "good" ones.

I'm not quite sure if it is as bad as it may seem, mrsrachelm. The impact needs to be carefully researched and regulated. Our society can't keep up with the speed of technological change. Our privacy has already been reduced.

I have no doubt that the continuing technological onslaught will require constant review and regulations designed to give us control of our personal data. It is hard to predict the outcome of all this new technology and how it will adversely affect us.

As I mentioned, I believe that our traditional concept of privacy is history. We are now living in a new era and a chip implant is redundant. Big brother is here and there's no turning back. That is unless you are paying with cash, not using a bank, growing your own food, don't fly, don't drive or have a driver's license. Everything about us is digitized and is relatively easy to uncover.

I refuse to participate in Facebook because, in my opinion, it is the easiest way to lose your privacy forever.

I Voted for:

ARE YOU CRAZY!

And I ask again. Are you freakin' crazy?

It would be a freezing day in the deepest pit of hell before I ever allowed something like that to happen to either myself or any of my children. And I would shoot dead anybody who tried to force it on me. Period.

I can't think of anything else that would be a larger violation of everything we are supposed to be as Americans. And any comment here that agrees this should be implimented needs to be...well, deleted.

I mean, WTF is wrong with some of you comments? Do you not have any understanding of what it truly means to be an American? And I don't give a @!$%# what color, religion or creed you may be. It doesn't matter.

You are supposed to be American.

I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but the bottom line is -IMO- to many comments need to just get the @!$%# out of this Country.

The bottom line is simply this. This is the craziest idea I've ever heard. It's as Un-American as your average Musslim Terrorist. And I would freely fire the first shot to stop it from happening to either me or mine...or anybody else who stood against it.

Remember these words that some wise man once said.

Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it.....

Screaming for Vengeance, I love your passion. I voted, "I get your point".

I hate to tell you this but a chip is simply consolidating all the data that is already carried by us in different forms. Your debit card is linked to your entire life's savings. Your passport contains your biometrics. Your health card (if you're with Kaiser) contains all your personal health records. Your car has a black box that records the last 20 seconds of your driving prior to an accident. Every time you walk outside, cameras are rolling from someplace. Ride an elevator and security is watching you fix your hair in the mirror. Your personal computer is not a secure vault and reveals a lot about you.

I don't like this new technological reality and we need to be vigilante about protecting our privacy. I wouldn't mind a chip, if it was guaranteed secure and it meant I could do transactions effortlessly. Imagine going into a grocery store and walking out with everything you purchased, without ever seeing a cashier.

I agree with your concerns wholeheartedly, but I also see a great potential if a chip can be secure and we have full control over the data that is readable.

No way, in any way.

Remember, you are talking about guarantees that will have to be made to you by Our Government. Are you serious that you would trust the word of Our Government? Are you for real?

I would rather deal with the biggest bitch of a cashier before giving the Government the ample opportunity to track me at will. I would rather have Charles Manson as my waiter and Rosie Odonnel as my wife.

Remember my friend.....

Easier doesn't always mean better.....

I don't agree that our government must be involved when it comes to securing our privacy. There's the first mistake and presumption.

I don't trust any governments.

I voted that chips should be implanted.

But I do have one caveat: The chips can only in be implanted into the children of republicans, tea party members, birthers, and other RWNJs. It will be much easier to track and detain them so as to correct their behavior so they don't become what many describe as the ugly face of America.

Thanks for the wonderful idea.

Some see this as the next step in human evolution. The merging of technology with the human mind. I suspect, some will go for it and some will not. There's also the possible consequence that the enhanced intelligence of such, would likely render the 100% biological forms of human at a disadvantage (economically?)

Socrates1

Now there's a thought...chips in Congress...let's see what they're really doing, and who they're really meeting with.

The MAC & PC political parties?

rescue dogs62

From a biblical perspective, although written thousands of years ago when the possibility of anything like that was out of the realm of thought, Paul wrote in Revelations

Not to be nit picky, but that would be John who wrote in Revelations. I was also considering the biblical posits of end times, as it could relate to this unstoppable tech. Some where, in the course of the biblical writings, is a rapture. On several occasions, when talking about mixing tech with biology, the question comes up, at what point are we no longer talking about a human being?

Mt 24:39

And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mt 24:40

Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

I look at this technology like a flood. It cannot be stopped. So, in this sense, the scripture analogy follows. If this technology starts to seep into our human biology, then the question stands: where is the line between human and something else?

Like the narrative may be suggesting, I don't think everyone will go for this mixing, and perhaps there will be a few left in the field to do the menial work of said advanced humans. Servants, if you will.

Then we have this verse......

1th 4:16

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1th 4:17

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

If I interpret the word Christ to be an analogy of "humanity", then following this line of logic would suggest those with the integrated technology (i.e. the dead in Christ/humanity) will be taken first.

2 cent interpretation.....

Hypothetical speaking, a computer virus or sun flare shuts down all technology and wipes out or severely handicaps the more advanced humans. Because the infrastructure of such a society would likely advance by leaps and bounds, the remaining 100% biological humans would likely become dependents, and not able to cope or manage without the advanced forms, whom would have naturally been running most of the show. Therefore they would naturally be swept up together, but the advanced humans would be leading the way.

There are some who may think that this technology is stoppable, but I have given up such notions. There are some who see this sort of stuff as necessary for human survival, and the money to be made will certainly help the evolution in this direction. Every avenue of human folly will diverge on this to take control. Biological intervention is inreasingly becoming a forefront issue. What we are about to face will make the abortion issue seem pail in comparison. We are already inserting pig hearts and various artificial device to prolong life. This is viewed as acceptable to some, especially those who have the most to loose.

Naturally, this technology will successfully gain access by way of our moments of desperation. In a sense, it is the rejection of our human disposition, that is, the parts of it that we find difficult to deal with.

As a simple example. If electricity were to shut down tomorrow, and there was no one able to understand how to fix it, how many people would the failure of the system shed? How many people know how to raise a chicken, or plow a field with a horse. or dig a well for water. There are very rudimentary skills, and yet many will not make it. Moreover, electricity is a very rudimentary infrastructure example. Mass population of the earth, combined with the need of High tech food production and energy production. I can see the distance between human beings and the old ways of survival increasing, as it is a way of life easily rejected by us spoiled with tech. This rejection will in time result in the consequentially loss of the fortitude to live life in such a way. There my not be anyone around to teach the pilgrims how to plant corn. And if there is someone who plants corn, that will be like running through the jungle with meat hanging around your neck, considering the prospect of mass starvation. Seems to me one would be more preoccupied fighting of the desperate than actual farming. I suppose one could say they are fertilizing the land with the dead bodies, but that's a whole different affair:)

Indeed. I am sure you are talking about this.....

http://www.idsia.ch/~juergen/haberbosch.html

Tech comes at us in all directions.

NO!! No one should be chipped, not even our little animals.

Should Computer Chips Be Implanted At Birth--Yes, Poll Included

Better idea ... shove these chips in one particular orifice of those who advocate such a concept.

On the other hand, it eliminates the need for E-Z Pass ... just hang your ass out the driver's window when entering and exiting the turnpike.

Is this MORE of that LESS GOVERNMENT stuff?

just hang your ass out the driver's window when entering and exiting the turnpike.

The visual!!
Lolololol
:D

On the other hand, it eliminates the need for E-Z Pass

I would suggest to anyone, who may be considering the insertion of any device in any orifice located at the hemisphere you are suggesting, to never forgo the E-Z PASS

Whose to say that the chipping hasn't begun already, without you even knowing?

First is may be a computer chip, what if that fails. would you wear the mark of the beast, to land a job, what about food or a place to live?